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 Post subject: Unfit for Duty?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:54 
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75 Percent of Young Americans Are Unfit for Military Duty

WASHINGTON (Nov. 3, 2009) -- Are America's youth too fat, dumb or dishonest to defend the nation against its enemies?

The latest Army statistics show a stunning 75 percent of military-age youth are ineligible to join the military because they are overweight, can't pass entrance exams, have dropped out of high school or had run-ins with the law.

So many young people between the prime recruiting ages of 17 and 24 cannot meet minimum standards that a group of retired military leaders is calling for more investment in early childhood education to combat the insidious effects of junk food and inadequate education.

"We've never had this problem of young people being obese like we have today," said Gen. John Shalikashvili, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

He calls the rising number of youth unfit for duty a matter of national security. "We should be concerned about how this will impact this overstretched Army and its ability to recruit."

Shalikashvili is among dozens of retired generals, admirals and civilian Pentagon officials who have banded together as Mission Readiness: Military Leaders for Kids. The group, which includes former NATO commander and presidential candidate Wesley Clark, will appear with Secretary of Education Arne Duncan at the National Press Club on Thursday to urge immediate action to reduce dropout rates and improve the physical and moral fitness of the nation's youth.

They will cite research that shows quality early childhood education raises graduation rates by up to 44 percent and reduces the odds of being arrested for a violent crime by age 18.

Douglas Smith of the U.S. Army Recruiting Command said 2008 data shows about three in 10 youths have an initial barrier to enlistment.

Most aren't insurmountable. "If you're overweight, we tell you to come back when you've lost the weight. If you don't score well on the armed forces aptitude test, we suggest you study and take it again," he said.

Between 2004 and 2008, the Army more than doubled the number of "conduct" waivers it granted to would-be soldiers with criminal or misdemeanor records. The loosened standards proved necessary in a time of war and amid a booming economy that forced military recruiters to work overtime to fill the ranks.

The new warnings about a generation of couch potatoes comes just weeks after the Pentagon announced its best recruiting year since the all-volunteer force began in 1974. The economic meltdown and rising unemployment, combined with bigger military bonuses and benefits, enticed hundreds of thousands to enlist despite the inevitability most would be sent to war.

The plethora of would-be recruits allowed the military services to be choosier after years of taking in more high school dropouts and those needing extra physical training to meet weight requirements.

Recruiting may have gotten easier, but "the good times don't stay forever," warned David Segal, a University of Maryland military sociologist. When the economy recovers and young people are able to get jobs or can afford to go to college, the military will be faced with the same out-of-shape, ill-prepared pool of recruits as before.

"Recruiting will get tough again," he said. "The trend line is clear: The youth population is getting less healthy."

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Ringlets wrote:
75 Percent of Young Americans Are Unfit for Military Duty

WASHINGTON (Nov. 3, 2009) -- Are America's youth too fat, dumb or dishonest to defend the nation against its enemies?

Wait - "too... dumb"? Can you actually be too stupid to join the army?

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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solo2 wrote:
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75 Percent of Young Americans Are Unfit for Military Duty

WASHINGTON (Nov. 3, 2009) -- Are America's youth too fat, dumb or dishonest to defend the nation against its enemies?

Wait - "too... dumb"? Can you actually be too stupid to join the army?
Another triumph of the American Educational System, apparently. I did read somewhere that soldiers in modern armies do have to be more intelligent than the cannon fodder foot soldier of pre-industrial armies.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Before the army broke my contract, I was going in, and when I was at MEPS I was really nervous because I hadn't studied for the asvab or anything, so this was a last minute sort of decision. Well when I scored a 84 I was really bummed, but my Sergeant kept insisting that was good. I didn't believe him until I was talking to this guy in the waiting room, and he had taken the asvab 3 times and he studied like crazy and he was really excited because he scored a 40.

You have to score a minimum of a 34 which gives you the ability to go only into infantry.

It's bad when you're too stupid to get yourself killed.


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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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It's bad when you're too stupid to get yourself killed.
I agree. It could be argued that one of the only possible benefits of war might be the culling those not suitable to reproduce. And now the modern Army has taken that away.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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This explains a lot.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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I'm guessing an army is useless unless you have a bunch of people who just do what they're told without asking questions. So either you'll attract that sort of person, or you'll have to turn regular people into that sort of person. Or your army will be de facto useless.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Or you get people who don't do what they're told without asking questions... And they get promoted to officer.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Or you get people who don't do what they're told without asking questions... And they get promoted to officer.

I'm not into the whole getting-up-early thing. But realistically, what can they do? They can shout and scream at you, but I'm still getting up at noon. The only difference is that I'll be even more tired the following morning.

I guess they can put you in solitary, but that's fantastic for someone like me. That would be a relief. Or they can make you do pushups, but I'd just say no. They can't make you do anything. And people shouting at me has no effect at all.

Although I might get scared of Malcolm Tucker.


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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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I dunno. R. Lee Ermey is pretty intimidating.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Another weird thing - all the military people I speak to don't seem to understand what the military is for. They actually think it's a good idea to get into wars and so on. They don't get that physical force should be a last resort to any civilized democracy.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Any soldier worth his salt should be anti-war, yet there are still things worth fighting for. - General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr.

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 Post subject: Re: Unfit for Duty?
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Thundercunt wrote:
Any soldier worth his salt should be anti-war, yet there are still things worth fighting for. - General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr.

Well, yes, but if you suggest that to any actual soldiers, they get annoyed.

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